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So you think the democrats are really working for us ?
you really think they have our best interests at heart?
guess again.
the sub-prime loan debacle is a direct result of democratic big government policy (read as idiocy).
and the true irony here is that the republicans tried to stop this from happening to protect us from what our economy is currently going through.

and obama supports this kind of sh!t. (not to mention the fact that he is one of many that lined his pockets because of it)



by orson scott card      october 5, 2008

would the last honest reporter please turn on the lights?

an open letter to the local daily paper -- almost every local daily paper in america:

i remember reading all the president's men and thinking: that's journalism. you do what it takes to get the truth and you lay it before the public, because the public has a right to know.

this housing crisis didn't come out of nowhere. it was not a vague emanation of the evil bush administration.

it was a direct result of the political decision, back in the late 1990s, to loosen the rules of lending so that home loans would be more accessible to poor people. fannie mae and freddie mac were authorized to approve risky loans.

what is a risky loan? it's a loan that the recipient is likely not to be able to repay.

the goal of this rule change was to help the poor -- which especially would help members of minority groups. but how does it help these people to give them a loan that they can't repay? they get into a house, yes, but when they can't make the payments, they lose the house -- along with their credit rating.

they end up worse off than before.

this was completely foreseeable and in fact many people did foresee it. one political party, in congress and in the executive branch, tried repeatedly to tighten up the rules. the other party blocked every such attempt and tried to loosen them.

furthermore, freddie mac and fannie mae were making political contributions to the very members of congress who were allowing them to make irresponsible loans. (though why quasi-federal agencies were allowed to do so baffles me. it's as if the pentagon were allowed to contribute to the political campaigns of congressmen who support increasing their budget.)

isn't there a story here? doesn't journalism require that you who produce our daily paper tell the truth about who brought us to a position where the only way to keep confidence in our economy was a $700 billion bailout? aren't you supposed to follow the money and see which politicians were benefitting personally from the deregulation of mortgage lending?

i have no doubt that if these facts had pointed to the republican party or to john mccain as the guilty parties, you would be treating it as a vast scandal. "housing-gate," no doubt. or "fannie-gate."

instead, it was senator christopher dodd and congressman barney frank, both democrats, who denied that there were any problems, who refused bush administration requests to set up a regulatory agency to watch over fannie mae and freddie mac, and who were still pushing for these agencies to go even further in promoting subprime mortgage loans almost up to the minute they failed.

as thomas sowell points out in a townhall.com essay entitled do facts matter? "alan greenspan warned them four years ago. so did the chairman of the council of economic advisers to the president. so did bush's secretary of the treasury."

these are facts. this financial crisis was completely preventable. the party that blocked any attempt to prevent it was ... the democratic party. the party that tried to prevent it was ... the republican party.

yet when nancy pelosi accused the bush administration and republican deregulation of causing the crisis, you in the press did not hold her to account for her lie. instead, you criticized republicans who took offense at this lie and refused to vote for the bailout!

what? it's not the liar, but the victims of the lie who are to blame?

now let's follow the money ... right to the presidential candidate who is the number-two recipient of campaign contributions from fannie mae.

and after freddie raines, the ceo of fannie mae who made $90 million while running it into the ground, was fired for his incompetence, one presidential candidate's campaign actually consulted him for advice on housing.

if that presidential candidate had been john mccain, you would have called it a major scandal and we would be getting stories in your paper every day about how incompetent and corrupt he was.

but instead, that candidate was barack obama, and so you have buried this story, and when the mccain campaign dared to call raines an "adviser" to the obama campaign -- because that campaign had sought his advice -- you actually let obama's people get away with accusing mccain of lying, merely because raines wasn't listed as an official adviser to the obama campaign.

you would never tolerate such weasely nit-picking from a republican.

if you who produce our local daily paper actually had any principles, you would be pounding this story, because the prosperity of all americans was put at risk by the foolish, short-sighted, politically selfish, and possibly corrupt actions of leading democrats, including obama.

if you who produce our local daily paper had any personal honor, you would find it unbearable to let the american people believe that somehow republicans were to blame for this crisis.

there are precedents. even though president bush and his administration never said that iraq sponsored or was linked to 9/11, you could not stand the fact that americans had that misapprehension -- so you pounded us with the fact that there was no such link. (along the way, you created the false impression that bush had lied to them and said that there was a connection.)

if you had any principles, then surely right now, when the american people are set to blame president bush and john mccain for a crisis they tried to prevent, and are actually shifting to approve of barack obama because of a crisis he helped cause, you would be laboring at least as hard to correct that false impression.

your job, as journalists, is to tell the truth. that's what you claim you do, when you accept people's money to buy or subscribe to your paper.

but right now, you are consenting to or actively promoting a big fat lie -- that the housing crisis should somehow be blamed on bush, mccain, and the republicans. you have trained the american people to blame everything bad -- even bad weather -- on bush, and they are responding as you have taught them to.

if you had any personal honor, each reporter and editor would be insisting on telling the truth -- even if it hurts the election chances of your favorite candidate.

because that's what honorable people do. honest people tell the truth even when they don't like the probable consequences. that's what honesty means. that's how trust is earned.

barack obama is just another politician, and not a very wise one. he has revealed his ignorance and naivete time after time -- and you have swept it under the rug, treated it as nothing.

meanwhile, you have participated in the borking of sarah palin, reporting savage attacks on her for the pregnancy of her unmarried daughter -- while you ignored the story of john edwards's own adultery for many months.

so i ask you now: do you have any standards at all? do you even know what honesty means?

is getting people to vote for barack obama so important that you will throw away everything that journalism is supposed to stand for?

you might want to remember the way the national organization of women threw away their integrity by supporting bill clinton despite his well-known pattern of sexual exploitation of powerless women. who listens to now anymore? we know they stand for nothing; they have no principles.

that's where you are right now.

it's not too late. you know that if the situation were reversed, and the truth would damage mccain and help obama, you would be moving heaven and earth to get the true story out there.

if you want to redeem your honor, you will swallow hard and make a list of all the stories you would print if it were mccain who had been getting money from fannie mae, mccain whose campaign had consulted with its discredited former ceo, mccain who had voted against tightening its lending practices.

then you will print them, even though every one of those true stories will point the finger of blame at the reckless democratic party, which put our nation's prosperity at risk so they could feel good about helping the poor, and lay a fair share of the blame at obama's door.

you will also tell the truth about john mccain: that he tried, as a senator, to do what it took to prevent this crisis. you will tell the truth about president bush: that his administration tried more than once to get congress to regulate lending in a responsible way.

this was a congress-caused crisis, beginning during the clinton administration, with democrats leading the way into the crisis and blocking every effort to get out of it in a timely fashion.

if you at our local daily newspaper continue to let americans believe --and vote as if -- president bush and the republicans caused the crisis, then you are joining in that lie.

if you do not tell the truth about the democrats -- including barack obama -- and do so with the same energy you would use if the miscreants were republicans -- then you are not journalists by any standard.

you're just the public relations machine of the democratic party, and it's time you were all fired and real journalists brought in, so that we can actually have a daily newspaper in our city.


link to the article:
http://www.ornery.org/essays/warwatch/2008-10-05-1.html



before anyone comments, lets be clear on something.

this is about 2 things, 1: the fact that the media lies to promote it's agenda and the fact that it shills for the democrats

and 2: the fact that, despite what the democrats would have everyone believe, they are not at altruistic and well meanings as they try to portray.

so please stick to the topic.

one other thing, for those of you who don't know, orson scott card is a dyed in the wool liberal. he's also a well known scifi writer and columnist.
so when he points out the crap, you should pay attention.

 

And here's more fuel for the fire:


Bidens constant stream of idiocy, yet the mainstream media (msm) hardly, if ever, reported it.
had palin said this kind of crap, the msm would have been all over her.

http://newsmax.com/insidecover/joe_biden_gaffes/2008/10/23/143588.html


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on Oct 27, 2008

Nope, then again no single party does; their best interest is only in their own and in whatever way or means that they can manifest that. The sooner people begin to realize that, the better. Then maybe actual change will happen, and I don't mean so called change.

on Oct 27, 2008

the goal of this rule change was to help the poor -- which especially would help members of minority groups. but how does it help these people to give them a loan that they can't repay? they get into a house, yes, but when they can't make the payments, they lose the house -- along with their credit rating.

It is becoming boring !!!! this is theupteenth article about the same topic. And several times i pointed ou major points that you and others keep forgetting, or ignoring, everytime.

-the law in question was passed by almost 100% yes vote (but that is no defense of this law).

- The law merely say to loosen the "Credit" requirements ...not the "Loan qualification requirement" which include the ability to pay the loan, having a job capable of supporting this kind of loan, ...etc and many other qualification requirements.

- The problem was not that those people were not able to pay what they were told is their monthly payment. they did pay that payment and everything was fine .... until the fine print started to kick in ... it was a ballooning loan/teaser rate loan or  whatever name they put on it. these people were not aware and they were never told (as required by law... i think) that theie payment would double or more in a year or so. that was not honest-in-lending action by the lenders....

the rules that are in-place now for lending and for commercial banks ... were ignored by the agencies in charge ... that was the problem ... the unregulated derivatives issued by commercial banks (!!!!!!)based on those loans are the core of this financial meltdown ... they sold those derivatives to people who didnt know what the hell they were buying ... even the banks themselves didnt know what the hell they were selling .... where were the sec and the feds????

that is how the disaster started .... even today they dont know where are these derivatives ..... and how much they owe to them.!!!!! people in iceland bought those derivatives ... and lost their shirt ... that is the result of the law in question????

even greenspan admitted that he "thought" they were able to better regulate themselves and not issue those "commercial papers" sooo ricklessly.  even the name ... derivatives .... commercial papers ... and all based on loans given to people without telling them the truth !!!!! where were the government's oversight? .... that was deregulation for you buddy ..... Reagan's and McCain's (supported by the Fed's foolish/stupid greenspan) battle cry ... isnt it???????

if you dont like the Dem's policies... that is your right ... but to mislead people and confuse the issue ... with the poor as your whipping boy is not honest critique of issues with which you disagree.

on Oct 27, 2008

1: the fact that the media lies to promote it's agenda and the fact that it shills for the democrats

That is the big point to me.  Rush Limbaug, Sean Hannity on the right.  Al Franken and Randi Rhodes on the left are all honest.  They tell you up front what they are pushing.  Sadly the MSM lies about their agenda

and 2: the fact that, despite what the democrats would have everyone believe, they are not at altruistic and well meanings as they try to portray.

Yea, I missed Bill and Hillary applying for welfare, Obama sharing his wealth with his destiture brother, franklin Raines refusing the $90 million because he was fired for incompetance.

on Oct 27, 2008

if you dont like the Dem's policies... that is your right ... but to mislead people and confuse the issue ...

Isn't that what you just did?  Or did you forget his points on this article?

on Oct 27, 2008

Dr Guy


if you dont like the Dem's policies... that is your right ... but to mislead people and confuse the issue ...
Isn't that what you just did?  Or did you forget his points on this article?

 

Apparently you did.

This is about the MSM doing everything possible to promote the democrats side of things with little or no regard for truth or fairness.

 

To be brutally honest with you, I don't like EITHER side. It's just that the dems have been, seemingly, far more blatant than the Reps.

on Oct 27, 2008

Sadly, they badgered Greenspan into giving them an out, though Card's premise is sound.  God save us from Frank, Pelosi & Reid.

on Oct 27, 2008

To answer your question...

Yes.

The blame goes both ways with this one.  Stop pointing the finger of blame because it is never going to work whichever way you point it.  This back and forth crap with the housing and loans debacle is moot.

on Oct 28, 2008

To answer your question...   NO.

After today hearing Obama's own words from less than 8 years ago, absolutely not.  Too many, caught up in the rapture, just refuse to hear them.

on Oct 28, 2008

Wow.  I've seen this artical before, but I just got from you that it was Orson Scott Card writting it.  I would not have expected it from him, although I think calling him a "dyed in the wool liberal" is a little simplistic. 

on Oct 28, 2008

Apparently you did.

This is about the MSM doing everything possible to promote the democrats side of things with little or no regard for truth or fairness.

No, just calling him off his soap box.  Learn the difference - be the difference.

on Oct 28, 2008

Genghis Hank


Wow.  I've seen this artical before, but I just got from you that it was Orson Scott Card writting it.  I would not have expected it from him, although I think calling him a "dyed in the wool liberal" is a little simplistic. 

 

Perhaps it is simplistic, but on the same token it is also accurate.

on Oct 28, 2008

SHADOWGRYPHON WRITES:

So you think the democrats are really working for us ?
you really think they have our best interests at heart?
guess again.
the sub-prime loan debacle is a direct result of democratic big government policy (read as idiocy).
and the true irony here is that the republicans tried to stop this from happening to protect us from what our economy is currently going through.

and obama supports this kind of sh!t. (not to mention the fact that he is one of many that lined his pockets because of it)

No and No to the first 2 questions. And Thank you, thank you, thank you....for blogging the article, including Card, and getting done what the MSM refuses to do....get the truth out. 

THINKALOUD POSTS:

It is becoming boring !!!! this is theupteenth article about the same topic.

It's good to keep getting this info out THinkaloud. It's important to know so we can make an informed vote about who we want to elect on Nov. 4th. The mainstream media has not done its job vetting Obama or told the truth about the economic crisis. It supresses info that is damaging to the Democrats and Obama.

if you dont like the Dem's policies... that is your right ... but to mislead people and confuse the issue ... with the poor as your whipping boy is not honest critique of issues with which you disagree.

No one through this article is being misled.  From reading your post, you seem confused or misinformed about the way things got so out of control and who caused that.

Here is a timeline from Investor's Business Daily (that's been going around the Internet for some time now) that may be helpful. It explains what caused the Loan Crisis and completely supports Orson Card.

1977: Pres. Jimmy Carter signs into Law the Community Reinvestment Act the foundation and cornerstone for the impending disaster.. The law pressured financial institutions to extend home loans to those who would otherwise not qualify.

The publicized premise: Home ownership would improve poor and crime-ridden communities and neighborhoods in terms of crime, investment, jobs, etc.

The Results: Statistics bear out that it did not help.

How did the government get so deeply involved in the housing market?

Answer: Bill Clinton wanted it that way.

1992: Republican representative Jim Leach (IO) warned of the danger that Fannie and Freddie were changing from being agencies of the public at large to money machines for the principals and the stock-holding few.

1993: Clinton extensively rewrote Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac's rules turning the quasi-private mortgage-funding firms into semi-nationalized monopolies dispensing cash and loans to large Democratic voting blocks and handing favors, jobs and contributions to political allies. This potent mix led inevitably to corruption and now the collapse of Freddie and Fannie.

1994: Despite warnings, Clinton unveiled his National Home-Ownership Strategy, which broadened the CRA in ways congress never intended.

1995: Congress, about to change from a Democrat majority to Republican. Clinton orders Robert Rubin's Treasury Dept to rewrite the rules. Robt. Rubin's Treasury reworked rules, forcing banks to satisfy quotas for sub-prime and minority loans to get a satisfactory CRA rating. The rating was key to expansion or mergers for banks. Loans began to be made on the basis of race and little else.

1997 - 1999: Clinton, bypassing Republicans in Congress, enlisted Andrew Cuomo, then Secretary of Housing and Urban Dev elopement, allowing Freddie and Fannie to get into the sub-prime market in a BIG way. Led by Rep. Barney Frank and Sen Chris Dodd, congress doubled down on the risk by easing capital limits and allowing them to hold just 25% of capital to back their investments vs. 10% for banks. Since they could borrow at lower rates than banks their enterprises boomed.

With incentives in place, banks poured billions in loans into poor communities, often "no doc", "no income", requiring no money down and no verification of income. Worse still was the cronyism: Fannie and Freddie became home to out-of work-politicians, mostly Clinton Democrats. 384 politicians got big campaign donations from Fannie and Freddie. Over $200 million had been spent on lobbying and political activities. During the 1990's Fannie and Freddie enjoyed a subsidy of as musch as $182 Billion, most of it going to principals and shareholders, not poor borrowers as claimed.

Did it work? Minorities made up 49% of the 12.5 million new homeowners but many of those loans have gone bad and the minority homeownership rates are shrinking fast.

1999: New Treasury Secretary, Lawrence Summers, became alarmed at Fannie and Freddie's excesses. Congress held hearings the ensuing year but nothing was done because Fannie and Freddie had donated millions to key congressmen and radical groups, ensuring no meaningful changes would take place. "We manage our political risk with the same intensity that we manage our credit and interest rate risks," Fannie CEO Franklin Raines, a former Clinton official and current Barack Obama advisor, bragged to investors in 1999.

2000: Secretary Summers sent Undersecretary Gary Gensler to Congress seeking an end to the "special status". Democrats raised a ruckus as did Fannie and Freddie, headed by politically connected CEO's who knew how to reward and punish. "We think that the statements evidence a contempt for the nation's housing and mortgage markets" Freddie spokesperson Sharon McHale said It was the last chance during the Clinton era for reform.

2001: Republicans try repeatedly to bring fiscal sanity to Fannie and Freddie but Democrats blocked any attempt at reform; especially Rep. Barney Frank and Sen.Chris Dodd who now run key banking committees and were huge beneficiaries of campaign contributions from the mortgage giants.

2003: Bush proposes what the NY Times called "the most significant regulatory overhaul in the housing finance industry since the savings and loan crisis a decade ago". Even after discovering a scheme by Fannie and Freddie to overstate earnings by $10.6 billion to boost their bonuses, the Democrats killed reform.

2005: Then Fed chairman Alan Greenspan warns Congress: "We are placing the total financial system at substantial risk". Sen. McCain, with two others, sponsored a Fannie/Freddie reform bill and said, "If congress does not act, American taxpayers will continue to be exposed to the enormous risk that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac pose to the housing market, the overall financial system and the economy as a whole". Sen. Harry Reid accused the GOP ;of trying to "cripple the ability of Fannie and Freddie to carry out their mission of expanding homeownership" The bill went nowhere.

2007: By now Fannie and Freddie own or guarantee over HALF of the $12 trillion US mortgage market. The mortgage giants, whose executive suites were top-heavy with former Democratic officials, had been working with Wall St. to repackage the bad loans and sell them to investors. As the housing market fell in '07, subprime mortgage portfolios suffered major losses. The crisis was on, though it was 15 years in the making.

2008: McCain has repeatedly called for reforming the behemoths, Bush urged reform 17 times. Still the media have repeated Democrats' talking points about this being a "Republican" disaster. A few Republicans are complicit but Fannie and Freddie were created by Democrats, regulated by Democrats, largely run by Democrats and protected by Democrats. That's why taxpayers are now being asked for $700 billion!!

If you doubt any of this, just click the links below and listen to your lawmakers' own words. They are condemning!

Postscript: ACORN is one of the principlal beneficiaries of Fannie/ Freddie's slush funds. They are currently under indictment or investigation in many states. Barack Obama served as their legal counsel, defending their activities for several years.

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In addition to this today Amanda Carpenter wrote a piece on TownHall.com about ACORN not paying it's taxes since the late 80's to the tune totalling more than $3.7 million.  

 

on Oct 29, 2008

BRAVO! LULAPILGRIM! BRAVO!

STANDING OVATION!

on Oct 30, 2008

ThinkAloud

It is becoming boring !!!! this is theupteenth article about the same topic. And several times i pointed ou major points that you and others keep forgetting, or ignoring, everytime.

 

I missed this post, but I'm not going to let it slip.

Here's the deal, if you're going to make the kinds of statements that you have, back them up with proof.

Your word alone isn't going to cut it.

on Oct 31, 2008

Here's the deal, if you're going to make the kinds of statements that you have, back them up with proof.

Bare in mind his Screen Name. He thinks a loud, that doesn't mean he is actually thinking things thru.

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